Taxes and other things to complain about.

[gabester]

Don't be blind to Obama adding to that deficit gabe.. As I know alot of people are quick to slam Bush and think Obama is amazing....



I had something about the government to say that I've been thinking about, but of course it escaped me as I hit reply.........

Obama HAD to add to the deficit because we were in a deep recession. The spending was necessary to get the economy going. Bush's deficit spending involved massive tax cuts for the rich (at no benefit to the economy) and two massive wars. Almost no economic stimulus.

[Sparkie77]

Obama HAD to add to the deficit because we were in a deep recession. The spending was necessary to get the economy going. Bush's deficit spending involved massive tax cuts for the rich (at no benefit to the economy) and two massive wars. Almost no economic stimulus.

He however did not need to add in once term what Bush did in two.

I don't understand where people keep getting massive wars from. Considering neither of them lasted more than a year.


If you want to rag on him that's your right, but I would kindly ask you to put yourself in his shoes first. Getting into office and the first thing thrown in your face is a major terrorist attack. I beg you to point out what should have happened there. For what he was given, I think he did a pretty damn good job.

[gabester]

I don't understand where people keep getting massive wars from. Considering neither of them lasted more than a year.

More than a year? Are you high? The Iraq war lasted 9 years (and we still have some operations there). The war in Afghanistan has been going for more than 11 years with no end in sight. They've cost TRILLIONS of dollars that we're never getting back. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi and Afghan civilians have died, in addition to the thousands of US troops who've been killed too.

He however did not need to add in once term what Bush did in two.

It was entirely necessary to get us out of the recession. Also, I'm not sure where you're getting your figures from, but Obama's spending still hasn't come close to the spending that took place under Bush and the Republican congress. Much of the government spending still ongoing is a carryover from Bush policies - the two wars, the tax cuts for the rich, etc. The Bush administration also gave nearly a TRILLION DOLLARS to failing banks in late 2008, with no strings attached. No new regulation, no interest, no oversight. Just "Oh, you ran out of money? Here's some more!" There's nothing stopping the same financial disaster from happening again. None of those responsible have seen any consequences.

If you want to rag on him that's your right, but I would kindly ask you to put yourself in his shoes first. Getting into office and the first thing thrown in your face is a major terrorist attack. I beg you to point out what should have happened there. For what he was given, I think he did a pretty damn good job.

Bush had plenty of warning. "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US" came across his desk months before 9/11, and he did nothing.

Put yourself in Obama's shoes. He took office in the middle of a historic recession, and I'd say he did a pretty damn good job helping us out of it. The US was hemorrhaging jobs at a historic rate when he took office, and as a result of his economic recovery package and other policies, the job loss has been reversed.

There's simply no logical reason to support Bush's presidency or any of the recent actions of the Republican party. To do so is to be on the wrong side of facts, history, and logic. Pretty much all support of the Republican party is based on misinformation and stupidity at this point. Unless you're an ultra rich white Christian male, voting Republican is voting against your own interests and the interests of the country.

[Sparkie77]

More than a year? Are you high? The Iraq war lasted 9 years (and we still have some operations there). The war in Afghanistan has been going for more than 11 years with no end in sight. They've cost TRILLIONS of dollars that we're never getting back. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi and Afghan civilians have died, in addition to the thousands of US troops who've been killed too.



It was entirely necessary to get us out of the recession. Also, I'm not sure where you're getting your figures from, but Obama's spending still hasn't come close to the spending that took place under Bush and the Republican congress. Much of the government spending still ongoing is a carryover from Bush policies - the two wars, the tax cuts for the rich, etc. The Bush administration also gave nearly a TRILLION DOLLARS to failing banks in late 2008, with no strings attached. No new regulation, no interest, no oversight. Just "Oh, you ran out of money? Here's some more!" There's nothing stopping the same financial disaster from happening again. None of those responsible have seen any consequences.



Bush had plenty of warning. "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US" came across his desk months before 9/11, and he did nothing.

Put yourself in Obama's shoes. He took office in the middle of a historic recession, and I'd say he did a pretty damn good job helping us out of it. The US was hemorrhaging jobs at a historic rate when he took office, and as a result of his economic recovery package and other policies, the job loss has been reversed.

There's simply no logical reason to support Bush's presidency or any of the recent actions of the Republican party. To do so is to be on the wrong side of facts, history, and logic. Pretty much all support of the Republican party is based on misinformation and stupidity at this point. Unless you're an ultra rich white Christian male, voting Republican is voting against your own interests and the interests of the country.

The war did not last 9 years. Operation Iraqi Freedom lasted 9 years. Theres a big difference there.

Obama made too many promises he couldn't keep. The only reason he got elected is because he isn't white. He is a terrible president and I don't support any ofhis decisions or his stupid ass health care plan. If you looked into his policies, you would find that alot of them mirror the Bush administration very closely.

And to be perfectly honest I don't even know if I will vote this year. If I do it most certainly will not be for Obama.

[gabester]

The war did not last 9 years. Operation Iraqi Freedom lasted 9 years. Theres a big difference there.

There's absolutely no difference. We had thousands troops in Iraq in a combat role for 9 years. That's what I would call war. "War" or not, it cost trillions of dollars and thousands of lives.

Obama made too many promises he couldn't keep. The only reason he got elected is because he isn't white.

What promises has Obama not kept that haven't been blocked by Republican obstructionists? Please list them.

He got elected because he's black? Are you kidding? That doesn't even come close to making any sense, and a statement like that just makes it obvious you're a closet racist. He got elected because he opposed the failed policies of the Republican party and the political establishment. A wave of Democrats also took power of Congress in 2006 and 2008 for the same reason. It has nothing to do with race. Only 10% of the United States is black.

He is a terrible president and I don't support any ofhis decisions or his stupid ass health care plan. If you looked into his policies, you would find that alot of them mirror the Bush administration very closely.

Terrible how? His "stupid ass healthcare plan" has already saved people millions of dollars in reduced insurance costs because it mandates that a certain percentage of the cost go to actual healthcare services. It allowed those with pre-existing conditions to finally get health coverage. It stopped gender discrimination in the cost of health insurance.

Which policies mirror the Bush administration? Please list them.

And to be perfectly honest I don't even know if I will vote this year. If I do it most certainly will not be for Obama.

Please don't. Someone as clueless and misinformed as you has no place voting.

[Sparkie77]

There's absolutely no difference. We had thousands troops in Iraq in a combat role for 9 years. That's what I would call war. "War" or not, it cost trillions of dollars and thousands of lives.



What promises has Obama not kept that haven't been blocked by Republican obstructionists? Please list them.

He got elected because he's black? Are you kidding? That doesn't even come close to making any sense, and a statement like that just makes it obvious you're a closet racist. He got elected because he opposed the failed policies of the Republican party and the political establishment. A wave of Democrats also took power of Congress in 2006 and 2008 for the same reason. It has nothing to do with race. Only 10% of the United States is black.



Terrible how? His "stupid ass healthcare plan" has already saved people millions of dollars in reduced insurance costs. It's allowed those with pre-existing conditions to finally get healthcare. It stopped gender discrimination in the cost of health insurance.

Which policies mirror the Bush administration? Please list them.

So a white person would have gotten away with not having a birthcertificate? Idc what percent of the population is black. He repeated "change" overand over and over and he isn't white. Americans saw him as a novelty. Ooooh a black president, that'll show the world how accepting we are. I bet if Obama hadn't beaten Hilary, she would be the president. Because then it's be, ooooh a lady president.


A war is a war and an operation is an operation. During the war times we were fighting for our freedom. During the operations we were fighting for Iraq and Afgahnistans freedoms, and personally I think it a horrible idea to pull all the troops out, because it's just gunna go straight back to what it was.

Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010. Do some reading on that.

and maybe you can read this: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/...dent-betrayed/

[gabester]

So a white person would have gotten away with not having a birthcertificate? Idc what percent of the population is black. He repeated "change" overand over and over and he isn't white. Americans saw him as a novelty. Ooooh a black president, that'll show the world how accepting we are. I bet if Obama hadn't beaten Hilary, she would be the president. Because then it's be, ooooh a lady president.

HE RELEASED HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE! Why do people still repeat this bullshit?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...-long-form.pdf

A war is a war and an operation is an operation. During the war times we were fighting for our freedom. During the operations we were fighting for Iraq and Afgahnistans freedoms, and personally I think it a horrible idea to pull all the troops out, because it's just gunna go straight back to what it was.

Fighting for our freedoms how? Iraq posed no threat to us. It doesn't matter whether you call it a war or an operation. Thousands of lives have been lost and trillions of dollars have been spent in this harmless "operation."

Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010. Do some reading on that.

Tax cuts for the middle class is a bad thing? Extending unemployment for those who can't find work is a bad thing? Creating jobs is a bad thing?

You should do some reading on everything, since your political views seem to be entirely based on ignorance and misinformation.

and maybe you can read this: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/...dent-betrayed/

You just cited a Fox News opinion column as a source. I'm done here.

[Pac]

Obama made too many promises he couldn't keep.

Guess what ? That's the case in all the country. This is why a president is elected : he make promises, after he keep the maximum of them, and the end result is there is still some uncultivated whiners saying "he don't keep all his promises he is an incompetent".
Everyone can't be satisfied by a president.
As I see that's your case, but please when you're involved in politics, at least try to know what you're talking about.

Finding cultured people on the forum became really hard

[MICRACER]

HE RELEASED HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE! Why do people still repeat this bullshit?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...-long-form.pdf

You do understand that he is the president and that he could probably have one of those made. Dont you find it kinda strange that everyone that knows the truth about where he was born suddenly came up missing or dead. Thats not just some coincident.

-Isnt it wierd that the so called president of the United States is reading a book called "The Post-American World"
-Forcing everyone to get health insurance or face a fine, except for himself and politicians, if this was such a great thing why doesnt he join in as well.
-He doesnt want people to carry guns.


Or the fact that Obama is turning our country into a socailist country. In the end he has lied, and cheated his way into Presidency and now is ruining our country as it was. He has crapped on multiple amendments without even a blink. And he is almost rubbing it in our face that we cant do anything to stop him.

[gabester]

You do understand that he is the president and that he could probably have one of those made. Dont you find it kinda strange that everyone that knows the truth about where he was born suddenly came up missing or dead. Thats not just some coincident.

Yes, he had his birth certificate forged on the date of his birth in Hawaii so he could become president 50 years later. You birthers are a lost cause. Find something legitimate to gripe about.

-Isnt it wierd that the so called president of the United States is reading a book called "The Post-American World"

He's reading a book? My god! Start the impeachment process!

-Forcing everyone to get health insurance or face a fine, except for himself and politicians, if this was such a great thing why doesnt he join in as well.

Huh? He's president; healthcare is included in the job. The mandate may be controversial but those who don't have coverage cost society a lot more than those who do when they get sick or injured.

-He doesnt want people to carry guns.

This simply isn't true. Obama actually legalized carrying guns in national parks.

Or the fact that Obama is turning our country into a socailist country. In the end he has lied, and cheated his way into Presidency and now is ruining our country as it was. He has crapped on multiple amendments without even a blink. And he is almost rubbing it in our face that we cant do anything to stop him.

This isn't a fact, and I hesitate to even call it an opinion. It's an incorrect statement. Look up the definition of socialism before you accuse the president of trying to force it on everyone. Progressive taxes are not socialism. And for what it's worth, Obama is more right wing than most right wing politicians in Europe.

Where's your proof of him lying and cheating? Which amendments did he crap on? How is he rubbing it in our face?

It's funny how conservatives throw around all these Fox News talking points and they have nothing to back it up with, because there's no truth to any of it.

[MICRACER]

Yes, he had his birth certificate forged on the date of his birth in Hawaii so he could become president 50 years later. You birthers are a lost cause. Find something legitimate to gripe about.



He's reading a book? My god! Start the impeachment process!




Huh? He's president; healthcare is included in the job. The mandate may be controversial but those who don't have coverage cost society a lot more than those who do when they get sick or injured.


This simply isn't true. Obama actually legalized carrying guns in national parks.



This isn't a fact, and I hesitate to even call it an opinion. It's an incorrect statement. Look up the definition of socialism before you accuse the president of trying to force it on everyone. Progressive taxes are not socialism. And for what it's worth, Obama is more right wing than most right wing politicians in Europe.

Where's your proof of him lying and cheating? Which amendments did he crap on? How is he rubbing it in our face?

He is reading a book about a post-american world. Are you serious, you see no problem with that. And openly showing that he is reading it, rubbing it in our faces. Im sorry but If you think that is something our president should be doing then your pretty ****ed up in the head.

Hes the president who will never have to take part in his own helthcare plan that every other american must take part in.

He has been quoted multiple times saying “I don’t believe that people should be able to own guns.”


Im not going into his since I know I will probably end up being banned as well for calling out people who think this man should be the president, sorry to say but he shouldnt, of all the crap that he has done why in the hell do people still like him. He is ruining our country but if you want to vote for him again then be my guest but will not ever vote for a man that has torn our country apart.

[gabester]

He is reading a book about a post-american world. Are you serious, you see no problem with that. And openly showing that he is reading it, rubbing it in our faces. Im sorry but If you think that is something our president should be doing then your pretty ****ed up in the head.

Yeah, I see nothing wrong with reading a work of fiction. How exactly is he "rubbing it in our faces?" What's wrong with "openly showing" that you're reading a book? You know the Bible has some pretty nasty stuff in it too. I guess everyone who reads that book is pretty ****ed up in the head.

Hes the president who will never have to take part in his own helthcare plan that every other american must take part in.

What, do you expect him to write a clause in the healthcare bill exempting himself from his own presidential healthcare so he can try to find a private insurance policy? That doesn't even make any sense and it's completely pointless. The healthcare bill, so far, has made healthcare easier and cheaper to obtain. The only controversy is that which has been fabricated by Fox News and other right wing media outlets.

He has been quoted multiple times saying “I don’t believe that people should be able to own guns.”

As far as I know, he said it once in college. His point of view has changed. I don't see that as a sign of weakness. If you can't ever change your position on an issue then you've got a problem.

Im not going into his since I know I will probably end up being banned as well for calling out people who think this man should be the president, sorry to say but he shouldnt, of all the crap that he has done why in the hell do people still like him. He is ruining our country but if you want to vote for him again then be my guest but will not ever vote for a man that has torn our country apart.

If you get banned for anything, it's for being a recklessly ignorant ass, not for holding a different point of view. How is he ruining our country? Let's see a list of grievances. What has he ruined?

It's funny how facts always seem to get in the way of conservatives' beliefs. There really is nothing to back up any of your statements.

[Pac]

He is reading a book about a post-american world. Are you serious, you see no problem with that. And openly showing that he is reading it, rubbing it in our faces. Im sorry but If you think that is something our president should be doing then your pretty ****ed up in the head.

And if in 1990 Gorbachev have read a book named "post-soviet world", will this create the same panic for you ? For the Soviets ? For the world ?
Anf if Obama was reading a "post-Human world" book to anticipate the 21 december ? Always in panic ?
A book will not change the face of America... unless the title is 1984.

He has been quoted multiple times saying “I don’t believe that people should be able to own guns.”

Funny. When I make the link between gun selling in America and people killed by guns in America, something obvious appear ! I am the only one to see this ?
I think if he want to do that it's for the common good. But maybe the recent case of Trevon Martin is not enough a good illustration...

[Kristian]

Since it doesnt seem anyone can stay in a thread without starting a fight on this forum, I'll close this one too.

Good job guys.. Really good job..